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Scouter Garland
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Sump Pit?

Post by Scouter Garland » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:02 pm

Looking at the Scoutcraft Guide I see that requirement 3.3 is to build a greywater sump pit.

How does one do that? And doesn't it go against leave no trace guidelines? :?:

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Re: Sump Pit?

Post by Rick Gruchy » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:58 pm

Proper grey water disposal is an essential LNT Skill. The system you use really depends on where you are camping and the conditions there.

I am trying to find an image of a simple grey water system for camp, but cannot seem to find one (Maybe check the Field Book to Canadian Scouting). However, at its simplest a grey water system separates food particles and fats from the water. Prop up a small plastic bag over a small hole, fill the plastic bag with dead leaves and grass, cut a small hole in a corner of the bag and gently pour your grey water through. When done, dispose of the leaves and grass (burn them, broadly scatter far away from open water and camp, or carry them out) and cover up your hole.

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Re: Sump Pit?

Post by Scouter Chris » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:59 am

Don't dig holes. BSA describes a method at http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Boy ... spose.aspx

We copied the Girl Guide variation - a surgical cap or J-cloth over a 5 gal. bucket for standing camps, over an ice cream bucket for lightweight camps. First step is to scrape all food particles into garbage before washing dishes.

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Re: Sump Pit?

Post by Rick Gruchy » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:51 am

Scouter Chris wrote:Don't dig holes. . .
While I attempt to follow the 7 Principles of LNT, I am not a fundamentalist about it. In my part of the world, digging up a small bit of sod for grey water disposal would not be a concern. However, there are some environs where this practice would be very damaging. So yes, point taken. Step one is to assess your environment.

I do like the bucket methods you suggested! I think that would work very well for a standing camp with a larger group and easily modified for a patrol on a light weight camp. Here is the method I use when lightweight backpacking:

https://youtu.be/mwLQcqukSug

Rick

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Re: Sump Pit?

Post by Rick Gruchy » Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:18 am

Rick Gruchy wrote:
Scouter Chris wrote:Don't dig holes. . .
Here is the method I use when lightweight backpacking:

https://youtu.be/mwLQcqukSug

Rick
PS. This past weekend we had our troop out for a day hike. After lunch I showed them the pot cleaning method in the above video. It really grosses them out. :lol:

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Re: Sump Pit?

Post by Scouter Garland » Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:27 pm

Perhaps this is what they have in mind (See page 5)?
http://scouts.org.uk/media/612690/Victo ... _FINAL.pdf

This is the sort of thing I would appreciate a better guide from Scouts Canada. A decent book illustrating all these skills they list would be so useful.

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Post by Roxybeaver1 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:03 pm

That video? That's how we always encourage (strongly) our Scouts to clean their plates/cups/bowls prior to washing to stretch out the clean wash water as loooooooooooong as possible!

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Re: Sump Pit?

Post by Roxybeaver1 » Sun Dec 31, 2017 5:16 pm

Don't dig a hole - and at any camp I've been to, we use the large gallon bucket and filter out food, scrape thoroughly before washing, etc. and where allowed, the grey water goes into the kybo.

But the requirement is specific: I can use a shovel to build a camp greywater sump pit and close the pit when finished. I also spotted this and flagged it to another Scouter: when could this be done, as it's usually not what we do? Of course, the Scout could just complete most as he can, and then complete Level 4 without ever being awarded Level 3...

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