Defining the Adventure Skills

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Jody » Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:48 pm

Rick: I assume (reading between the lines of discussions here) that the plan is for these Adventure Skills badges (each with 9 levels) to migrate from a participant's starting uniform to the uniform for each successive section the participant "graduates" to...so the same badges will appear on Beavers as on Cubs as on Scouts, etc. Do I assume correctly?
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Sam Wallis » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:11 pm

kaa27th wrote:Why not have "trail adventures" as one category with pathways within that for equestrian, hiking and cycling and then a category for "boating adventures" with pathways for canoeing, kajaking, sailing and powered craft. Rafts could be in the scoutcraft/pioneering category as opposed to boating.

I was thinking rafts as inflatable, like white water rafting, although they can be used for more than that. there is overlap to build your own though.\
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Rick Gruchy » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:00 pm

norma wrote:So need to be careful with the terminology. These awards will be for 'participants' and not for 'volunteers'.


This is the idea.

As for the issue of the 18 who is not welcomed into a Crew . . . that is a whole other issue that is beyond the scope of the program revitalization process.

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Rick Gruchy » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:08 pm

Jody wrote:Rick: I assume (reading between the lines of discussions here) that the plan is for these Adventure Skills badges (each with 9 levels) to migrate from a participant's starting uniform to the uniform for each successive section the participant "graduates" to...so the same badges will appear on Beavers as on Cubs as on Scouts, etc. Do I assume correctly?
Yes Jody. The idea is that the Adventure Skills would connect all five sections. So if a Beaver Scout earned Stage 2 Camping, they would carry that badge over to their Cub Scout Uniform.

Jody, any interest in working on our "Vertical Challenge" team? Your Mountaineering experience would be a big help.

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Jody » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:03 pm

our "Vertical Challenge" team
Sure...but I'm not all that tall. This isn't a basketball thing is it?
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Sam Wallis » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:09 pm

I thought verticaly chalenged meant short.
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Jody » Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:37 pm

I thought verticaly chalenged meant short.
Well, I'm definitely not going to get involved with like midget wrestling or something that like that...

They better have something an average height dude can help out with.
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Rick Gruchy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:25 am

Jody wrote:
I thought verticaly chalenged meant short.
Well, I'm definitely not going to get involved with like midget wrestling or something that like that...

They better have something an average height dude can help out with.
I knew there was a reason I didn't like that name, it just wasn't coming to me. :x :lol: :x :lol: This was one of those times when we just stuck a working title on something and moved on, never to return.

Please, if you have a better name then "Vertical Challenges" let us know.

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Sam Wallis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:51 am

Whats wrong with calling it climbing. meshes nicely with definitions like camping, paddling, etc. While your at it, call the trail skills hiking, if you need to add in cycling and equestrian, could do it with a sub specialty, but the basics are things like compase use etc, thats the same on foot and on horse. just maybe different shoes. as it gets more complicated those diverge.
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Rick Gruchy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:34 am

Sam Wallis wrote:Whats wrong with calling it climbing.
You may be right Sam. Honestly, it doesn't matter too much to me what we call the various Adventure Skills. What we want to capture in "Vertical Challenges" are things like Scrambling, Rock Climbing, Rappelling, climbing walls, low ropes courses, high ropes courses, and Mountaineering. If "climbing" captures all this then great.

I did a lot of scrambling and backcountry skiing when I lived out west, but never did much technical climbing so I do need some help defining this one. That said, I am really excited by this Skill area as I believe it really appeals to youth. My hidden agenda is to get so many youth beating at Jody's door that we will have to put him to work setting up more groups. ;)

Now, with this Skill Area, I have a pretty good idea what advanced stages should look like. What do you think the early stages should look like?

(Might need to start a new thread here)

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Sam Wallis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:11 am

early stages to me are things like
climbing a 10 M climbing wall
hiking at a more than 30 degree pitch for more than 50 M ( sure I will bring a protractor to camp)
learning to assend and desend using switchbacks

I am not so good with ropes, so I leave that so someone else...
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by norma » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:27 pm

Rick Gruchy wrote:What we want to capture in "Vertical Challenges" are things like Scrambling, Rock Climbing, Rappelling, climbing walls, low ropes courses, high ropes courses, and Mountaineering. If "climbing" captures all this then great.
low ropes and high ropes courses were precursors to rock climbing for us in the past (focus being learning the rope side of things) similar to how people use climbing walls if they have no natural rock faces nearby to use
scrambling is rock climbing without the need of ropes in a way

even caving could be included in a 'climbing' challenge ... its climbing down into the earth as opposed to up a wall or down a rock face ... though often it is the same as climbing down a rock face, just the face is sub terrain.

all seem to be climbing, slightly different gear or terrain, but either you are climbing up or climbing down the terrain

Scrambling is an ambiguous activity that could fall either under rock climbing or hiking ... it is in that overlap part where you need to at times use your hands and upper body to lift your body weight, but you do not need the ropes and such to belay you up a vertical face

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Sam Wallis » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:15 pm

the title should give anyone a general idea of what you do. ask a first year beaver what vertical chalenges means. if you get a blank look, need a new title.
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Jody » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:20 pm

Rick: Challenge accepted.

My biggest problem right now is leaders: I need more leaders!

If anyone in the Lower Mainland has some time to give (once a year - once a month - once a week - I'll take whatever you can give) I can really use the help.

You don't need any experience (you'll get plenty just by showing up) but a -20°c sleeping bag and a warm pair of boots will help.

Oh, and Sam is spot on: it's all "Climbing".
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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Rick Gruchy » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:41 pm

Jody wrote:Rick: Challenge accepted.

My biggest problem right now is leaders: I need more leaders!
Build it and they will come.
Jody wrote:You don't need any experience (you'll get plenty just by showing up) but a -20°c sleeping bag and a warm pair of boots will help.
I've got the bag and the boots, I just can't figure out how to deal with the commute.
Jody wrote:Oh, and Sam is spot on: it's all "Climbing".
All right then, let's go with it. (Remember, I am one of a team so I do not have the final decision on this, but I'll give it a shot.)
Sam Wallis wrote:the title should give anyone a general idea of what you do. ask a first year beaver what vertical chalenges means. if you get a blank look, need a new title.
Exactly!

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by makr » Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:35 am

It's a really good point requiring a lot of capital money to create these bases and maintaining them both in maintenance and professional staffing costs. Perhaps this train of thought should be moved from this thread though as we're getting away from defining Adventure Skills.

On that topic, Perhaps we can gain inspiration from MEC? They sort their gear in a couple of broad categories- Cycling, Running/Fitness, Yoga, Hiking and Camping, Climbing, Snowsports and Watersports.

Running, Fitness and Yoga could be taken out and Hiking and camping can be split up. Camping skills are different but complimentary to Hiking skills. And climbing includes mountaineering, rock climbing, Ice climbing and various other things that require ropes to climb.

Just brainstorming here, but this idea came to me from searching for things for my wish list for this holiday season. :D

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Re: Defining the Adventure Skills

Post by Rick Gruchy » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:02 am

makr wrote:It's a really good point requiring a lot of capital money to create these bases and maintaining them both in maintenance and professional staffing costs. Perhaps this train of thought should be moved from this thread though as we're getting away from defining Adventure Skills.
Agreed & Done.

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