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Rotating Sixers

Post by akela123ottawa » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:18 pm

Has anyone out there ever rotated sixers?

We have (currently) a low enough number that we can really only effectively have two sixes. The "problem" is that we have four youth who we feel are deserving of the role of sixer. So that said, we are planning to have the four youth in question be sixers but alternating from week to week. I'm wondering if this has been attempted before and if so, what, if any, issues arose.
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Re: Rotating Sixers

Post by 2HC-OldChil » Thu Sep 19, 2013 7:36 pm

How many Cubs are present right now? Nothing wrong with low number sixes IMO. One thing you do not want to set yourself up is to "demote" someone. How about making one of the older Cubs an assistant Leader for the meeting and rotate the ones that can pull it off.

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Post by southpaw_1979 » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:27 am

We do it in troop, but not weekly. We have patrol leaders and assistant patrol leaders, with a change usually after Christmas. Never had anyone get really upset. It is prewarned at the beginning, this is the patrols and PL-APL until midyear, at that point it is subject to change (either by the youth through court of honour or the leaders if intervention is necessary)

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Re: Rotating Sixers

Post by SteveMatheson » Fri Sep 20, 2013 10:48 am

The appearance of "demoting" is a difficult challenge. I've seen a few different things done, including rotating through sixers/seconds. That model did, at all times, left a couple of "senior" members without a leadership role for some periods of time. Communication was the key to making sure that there was an understanding and feeling of fairness.

In another situation I've seen a couple of "very senior" Cubs promoted to to "senior sixer" and removed from regular sixes. That existed as an official role at one time (before "my time") and the uniform insignia had three stripes. Whenever a sixer was absent, that senior sixer would step in to assist the second in leadership and stood in that six's second location.

I suppose another option would be to rotate the non-sixer/second Cubs as leaders in the Sixer's Council, so that everyone is doing different leadership roles.

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Re: Rotating Sixers

Post by RakelaK » Fri Sep 20, 2013 9:14 pm

We stopped using lofty and pointless titles like Sixer and Second a long time ago. (we don't use PL and APL either).... each section has a YLT... a Youth Leadership Team. They are the ones who drive their programs with ideas and planning (even at the Beaver level).... and they decide between themselves how the dynamic of that team can/should work. They sometimes require an adult to help push along a few things for them. But, for the most part... they gel OK just working as a team... as the senior members begin transitioning to their higher section about a third of the way through the season.... then they pick which youth seem to be rising up as young leaders to expand the YLT through the middle of the year. Then as the seniors are around less and less (if at all ) post March Break.... there has already been a mentoring going on so that the YLT remains strong. It should always be the youth planning and programming their own sections. Beavers are done via methods such as choices... Cubs should know enough to plan on their on for most of their general activities.... Scouts shouldn't have to have much input from any adults at all (unless they got a horrible Cub program that didn't prepare them)... And Venturers?.... why so they need adults at all?? The YLT at the Cub level is the most pivotal as far as grooming youth leaders.... kids age/mature quite a bit between 8 and 10.... and by 10, if they can't plan an entire camp (meals, activities, materials, groceries, etc)... then they will not be ready for Scouts where they do all that and even buy their own groceries and go camping without adults nearby at all.... the Cubs' YLT is where those types of Scouts are groomed. So having a strong YLT with good mentoring at all times is very important.

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Re: Rotating Sixers

Post by akela123ottawa » Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:21 pm

Good points all around.

On the subject of "demotion", we kept one youth as sixer on account of him having been a sixer last year. In fact the youth are quite pleased that they get to rotate from one week to the next. I also like the notion of having a "senior sixer" to assist in running the show. We are also employing the sixers' council with all sixers to get them involved in the planning of the program. One might say that this is a bit of an experiment for us as leaders considering that three out of five have one or two years under their belt and I have been Akela for a mere one.
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Re: Rotating Sixers

Post by Ironhorse77 » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:32 pm

In those cases in our group where we have more 3rd year cubs who wish to be a sixer than sixes are available, we will switch them midway through the year to be the "active" sixer. The active sixer can wear a name tag from the scout shop that says "sixer". I also am of the belief that being a sixer is a privilege and not a right; having said that, I will give all those who wish to be a sixer a chance.
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Post by Angus Bickerton » Fri Sep 27, 2013 1:32 pm

RakelaK wrote:We stopped using lofty and pointless titles like Sixer and Second a long time ago. (we don't use PL and APL either).... each section has a YLT... a Youth Leadership Team. They are the ones who drive their programs with ideas and planning (even at the Beaver level).... and they decide between themselves how the dynamic of that team can/should work. They sometimes require an adult to help push along a few things for them. But, for the most part... they gel OK just working as a team... as the senior members begin transitioning to their higher section about a third of the way through the season.... then they pick which youth seem to be rising up as young leaders to expand the YLT through the middle of the year. Then as the seniors are around less and less (if at all ) post March Break.... there has already been a mentoring going on so that the YLT remains strong. It should always be the youth planning and programming their own sections. Beavers are done via methods such as choices... Cubs should know enough to plan on their on for most of their general activities.... Scouts shouldn't have to have much input from any adults at all (unless they got a horrible Cub program that didn't prepare them)... And Venturers?.... why so they need adults at all?? The YLT at the Cub level is the most pivotal as far as grooming youth leaders.... kids age/mature quite a bit between 8 and 10.... and by 10, if they can't plan an entire camp (meals, activities, materials, groceries, etc)... then they will not be ready for Scouts where they do all that and even buy their own groceries and go camping without adults nearby at all.... the Cubs' YLT is where those types of Scouts are groomed. So having a strong YLT with good mentoring at all times is very important.
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