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Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by AnzacRon » Sun Feb 27, 2011 2:16 pm

Team,

This is our first year running Scout 18 wheelers and to confirm the weight restriction we turned to the internet. We have searched from coast to coast and found a variance from 650g - 1000g.

Should there not be a standard like the Kub Kars? Or is there a reason for having many different weights?

Any and all input will be appreciated.
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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by Karl Wagner » Sun Feb 27, 2011 6:05 pm

I did not think there was a weight restriction for trucks. Scouts figure out pretty quickly that beyond a certain weight, rolling friction becomes the limiting factor.
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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by aaslett » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:57 am

In Kawartha Waterways Area, we use 750 grams. See...

http://www.kwascouting.com/sites/progra ... oop/18.pdf

I think a main point is to create whatever rules you plan to have, and be consistent.
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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by Brad_Schmermund » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:12 am

Last year in the Edmonton Region, there was a "Mega Kub Kar Rally". I have attached the regulations that they had below, the organizers put a lot of effort into that event and I'm sure those specs would have been well researched.
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Post by Brad_Schmermund » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:13 am

Also I have attached Buffalo Plains Area Kub Kar Rally regulations for 18-wheelers. This is standard for our area and I assume it'll match up pretty close to the "Mega Rally"
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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by AnzacRon » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:41 pm

Thanks folks, maybe "restriction" was the in-correct term.

Thanks Brad, I actually used Garths guidelines first, on account if we travel to race, that would be the first logical direction for our group!

As stated there is a common wieght for Kub Kars in my research, but many different "guidelines" for 18 Wheelers!
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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by ayates » Mon Feb 28, 2011 1:56 pm

IMHO, both those documents have way too many rules. When running Scout truck races, I did have a maximum weight published as 800g (see page 5 of http://www.1stmerrickville.ca/events/wh ... 202006.pdf). I would reduce my rule set if I was doing it again.

However, I actually like Karl's post the best of leaving the initiative with the Scouts to weight the truck as they see fit. It would be best if the sweet spot was a reasonable weight though, that should be figured out ahead of time to ensure that heavier is faster topped out below 1kg.

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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by AnzacRon » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:40 pm

Allan, thanks for your input. I have been frequenting your site for info, and I appreciate all your hard work on this subject, well done.

The Troop spoke about this topic in great length and actually tomorrow night we are running a test & tune, and plan on going with what the Scouts feel is the best weight and go with that!
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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by awallwork » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:42 pm

I've always used for trucks, if it fits on the track and the Scout can lift it, it's good. Keep in mind, we don't race the trucks, it's more of a social event for us.
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Re: Scout 18 Wheelers

Post by Scouter Richie » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:52 am

In Prairie Heartland area we do have rules but I agree they should for the most part be guidelines. Some of the rules are needed so that the trucks are able to fit on the tracks. I do like the idea of the scouts deciding for themselves the idea weight but can foresee many damaged cabs coming off of our distance track.

What activities do you do? Here is what we do with the scouts:

2-4 meetings of building the trucks
- The youth get to use all of the power tools except the table saw
- A leader must be standing next to the youth when using any power tool until they have received their permit on that tool.
(With my previous group we had full access to a school IA lab so we developed permits for each of the power tools since we are in there often)

A mini-rally
- Just our own group or section
- A chance to test and tune their trucks
- Any of the tracks that we have available are set up

Race Day in the mall
- We set up the tracks down the hallway of the mall
- We have opening cerimonies in the food court
- It is free publicity (we used to rent large halls and get two or three districts together)
- The mall lets us use an empty store for registration so that we are out of the way
- Beaver Scouts and Scouts race in the morning, Cub Scouts race in the afternoon, leaders at the end of the day
- Scores are recorded at each of the events but we don't actually tabulate the winner. This is more so we can make sure that everyone gets their turn.
- We mix the youth up into groups that they can meet other youth in the area

The Events
- Youth get a least three attempts at each event ( more practice if time permits)
- We base scores on which ever one wheel would give them the most points

Speed track
- The standard strait downhill track
- We have modified the launcher so that the trailer will fit on also

Distance track (Cab only)
- Cabs are released on a steep downhill track that lets out onto a mat
- The mat is marked with distances and lined with 2" rope so trucks stay on it
- Vehicles with poorly aligned axels often end up crashing and flipping

Scout obstacle course
- 6 large lug nuts (or paper cups) are placed in a strait line on a mat
- Scouts weave their trucks around the pylons and then when they get to the end they have to back the truck into a loading bay
- The loading bay is just wide enough for a standard truck
- Once the truck is fully in the bay it hits a switch turning on a light
- This is a timed race. 2 seconds are added for each pylon that is bumped
- They quickly learn to make large sweeping turns
- There is a different version for beavers and cubs

Strait line
- A mat is marked with 8 vertical sections the middle two are 5 points working out to 1 point if they go off the mat
- Trucks are pushed from behind the hog line

Draw to the spot
- Basically curling with a scout truck

There is another one that I can't think of right now. I'll edit if I think of it.
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