New Joe Fresh Uniforms Really Disapointing

my 2 cents on this. the pride should be in wearing a uniform for the organization. if your proud to be a scout its about scouting, not the cloth.

and on the pants, maybe its just me, I dont see many youth or adults wearing the pants. perhaps thats a local thing, but I dont know anyone who does.

my 2 cents on this. the pride should be in wearing a uniform for the organization. if your proud to be a scout its about scouting, not the cloth.

and on the pants, maybe its just me, I dont see many youth or adults wearing the pants. perhaps thats a local thing, but I dont know anyone who does.

I couldn't waer them if if I wanted; they don't come in my sixe

my 2 cents on this. the pride should be in wearing a uniform for the organization. if your proud to be a scout its about scouting, not the cloth.

and on the pants, maybe its just me, I dont see many youth or adults wearing the pants. perhaps thats a local thing, but I dont know anyone who does.

Indeed, until you actually go camping and are trotting around in useless, cold and chafy wet cotton.

Generally, here, no, we don't care about the pants. And if cubs wear tan pants so they don't have to buy a new set of pants upon becoming scouts, power to them.

I only ever saw the old uniform worn to camp for opening and worn for scouts own and closing. to make the uniform camp wear just makes no sense to me. the uniform is indoor wear. at camp your probably wearing a jacket of some kind anyway

My memories of being a Wolf Cub,Scout, Rover, and Leader from the mid 1950's are that the Scouting uniform was only worn to and from camp, morning Flag Brake and inspection, and Scouts own or Church Service.Even during Scouting meetings after opening cemermonies the Scouting Shirt, hat and shoes were removed and a T or sports shirt were worn until closeing ceremonies and the hat was put back on and running shoes were taken off and your shoes or boots were put back on.I do not understand Scouting people or Leaders who stay in complete Scouting uniforms when they setup or takedown camp or play sports. I guess I was spoiled spending most of my time as a Youth member and Leader in Air Force or Military Scouting Districts where the Military are constantly changeing their uniforms( Orders of Dress) to suit the occasion!

My memories of being a Wolf Cub,Scout, Rover, and Leader from the mid 1950's are that the Scouting uniform was only worn to and from camp, morning Flag Brake and inspection, and Scouts own or Church Service.Even during Scouting meetings after opening cemermonies the Scouting Shirt, hat and shoes were removed and a T or sports shirt were worn until closeing ceremonies and the hat was put back on and running shoes were taken off and your shoes or boots were put back on.I do not understand Scouting people or Leaders who stay in complete Scouting uniforms when they setup or takedown camp or play sports. I guess I was spoiled spending most of my time as a Youth member and Leader in Air Force or Military Scouting Districts where the Military are constantly changeing their uniforms( Orders of Dress) to suit the occasion!

This is a good point, and the reason why there is a supply of Joe Fresh activity wear, which uses technical fabrics, at the Scout Shop. The red golf shirt for leaders is nice, and there are section-specific coloured shirts (grey, green, blue, and red) that are great for summer camping (and don't stain easily). As the formal uniform is required, cotton was used because it is cheap, and therefore the shirt does not cost a lot. As I and others have said in several posts, were the shirt made of a technical fabric (and therefore suitable for camping), it would be much more expensive. The activity wear is optional, so you can buy it if you want.

When I was a Scout, we were instructed to wear our shirts and neckers, but the sash was forbidden at camp, as it was for formal dress only. My daughter's cub pack wears their sashes for everything, and it drives me nuts seeing a kid playing dodge ball with a sash threatening to strangle him (risk management )! My view is the sash should come off right after inspection and opening, and go back on only for closing. It is both a safety issue and a propriety issue, imo. You don't see leaders wearing their long service or merit awards all the time, only at formal ceremonies. Otherwise, we look like jumped-up dictators from the 1970s.

The formal meeting uniform is not meant as camping gear, and should not be worn as such. It should be worn at camps only as Jim describes above. Beyond that, the only uniform required while camping is the necker, fastened with a woggle or using the friendship knot.

Thank you Angus, I forgot to mention the neckerchief.Our neckechief identified our Scouting Group and after 1960 our District and usually was only worn at Group meetings and activities for opening and closeing ceremonies.For Group only camps and meetings our neckerchief was folded and carried in our pocket and worn only for opening and closeing ceremonies. In Meetings,Camps and activities where there was several Groups and or Districts present everyone wore their Scouting neckerchief but the front was usually tucked into the shirt like American Military ties or tucked into the front of the t shirt so it was not loose.Our Scouting neckerchief identified the Scouting Group or District. Even Leaders wore their neckerchiefs so us youth could see or tell them apart at a distance.

Sashes came in when I became a Troop Scouter and I told my Scouts that the Sash was only to be worn for opening and closeing ceremonies when wearing your Scouting shirt( never during games).Most of my Scouts carried their sashes in their packsacks with their Scout shirts when we went on activities, hikes or camps and we wore our activitity T shirt most of the time.

I'm enjoying the new uniform. There are limitations - because of the sizing the neck on my 4XL shirt makes me look like a turtle and the collar sticks way below my necker. But I actually find it more comfortable than the old tan necker.

I'm also fortunate that I was invovled with an organization which changed uniforms and the way they were worn at least twice during my time with them. There will always be people who will have an emotional attachment to the former style, but if the organization moves on, so do we.

I'm also a stickler for abiding by the rules so, for the moment, my honours and awards on on the left shirt pocket. Not to slight anyone, but to be in line with Scouts Canada's current practice. If, and when, they decide to comply with government protocol, I'll switch. Perhaps a few calls/letters from veterans or active servicemen/women may make National change it's mind.

Otherwise, I've noted my concerns in the appropriate places and will patiently wait for more changes, if and when they come.

I'm looking forward to getting a new uniform and will for next year. At this point, our troop is 25 percent new 75 old. The kids with the new uniforms look much more relaxed and at ease than the ones with the old, especially with the sash.

The only thing that throws me a curve is we have one second year with a new uniform, meaning I've had to make a couple of trips to the scout shop to get him the new challenge badge, but as there's one in London with really comprehensive hours its not so much of a bother.

My biggest beef with the old uniforms were that they were somehow sized for short obese people with short arms and pencil necks. In order to find one where the neck and sleeves fit properly, the rest of the shirt was a parachute. I was able to address this by rolling the sleeves and keeping the collar unbuttoned.

I was hopeful that the new uniforms would address this. Regardless of the sizing, I am extremely disappointed in the new uniforms for the following reasons:

Color - Red for leaders? Really? It should be the same color as section. You're not going to mistake a scout for a leader, but a rover for a leader? easily done

The biggest beef - badges on the sleeve and "getting rid of" the sash and cords

My scouts want to show off all their badges all the time. Not stuff them into a book on their shelves where they can't be seen. I've told them to wear the old as long as possible ( easy, since our scout shop hasn't had stock of the new in months), and that they can wear the sash with the new uniforms.

My biggest beef with the old uniforms were that they were somehow sized for short obese people with short arms and pencil necks. In order to find one where the neck and sleeves fit properly, the rest of the shirt was a parachute. I was able to address this by rolling the sleeves and keeping the collar unbuttoned.

I was hopeful that the new uniforms would address this. Regardless of the sizing, I am extremely disappointed in the new uniforms for the following reasons:

Color - Red for leaders? Really? It should be the same color as section. You're not going to mistake a scout for a leader, but a rover for a leader? easily done

The biggest beef - badges on the sleeve and "getting rid of" the sash and cords

My scouts want to show off all their badges all the time. Not stuff them into a book on their shelves where they can't be seen. I've told them to wear the old as long as possible ( easy, since our scout shop hasn't had stock of the new in months), and that they can wear the sash with the new uniforms.

Sizing issues for off-the-rack clothing are endemic. My shoulders fit fine into an XL, but the neck is two sizes larger than it should be, and the sleeves are easily 36-37, thus (I have a 32-33 sleeve) are made for an orangutan. That is my lot in life, to find 161/2 neck shirts with 32-33 sleeves, but broad shoulders. The legacy of short stumpy parents.

Red for leaders was chosen simply because 90% of Rovers are also leaders, allowing them to wear the same shirt for both Rovering and leading. I am a leader in two sections, so if the same colour as the section, I'd need two shirts. This is true of a lot of leaders. Red represented the "biggest bang for the buck", as it solved the Rover problem. It also allows leaders to stand out in a crowd.

Badges on the sleeve is back to the original for Scouting. The sash, simply put, was dangerous, and not as simple to remove as the old plain red sash that I wore back in the 1970's and 1980s. Same with the lanyards (which replaced the bronze, silver and gold chains that I once wore), which can hook on things (but I admit, I always liked them). Badges on the sleeve works, displays the youths achievements, and there is no sash to catch on things.

I agree that a badge book or a banner is a dumb idea. The whole point of the uniform is to display the accomplishment, not tack it to your bedroom wall.

I love the badges on the sleeves, even though I have to sew them on times two kids, lol. I found the sashes never sat right, and the kids hated them, they also hated the tan shirts, they don't mind putting the grey ones on at all. If you sew the badges tightly you can get a lot of them on there, no problem at all.

I love the badges on the sleeves, even though I have to sew them on times two kids, lol. I found the sashes never sat right, and the kids hated them, they also hated the tan shirts, they don't mind putting the grey ones on at all. If you sew the badges tightly you can get a lot of them on there, no problem at all.

THIS is why we changed uniforms. They are now simpler, more comfortable, and when done properly, they look better. Half the kids in our pack have sashes that NEVER sit properly on the shoulder, but always fold over, due to the shape of the particular kid. Kids with squared shoulders are okay with sashes, but a kid with a rounded-shoulder always has the sash rolling over, despite being attached at the epaulette.

The Scout and Venturer uniforms are definitely the nicest though.

Have yet to see a new cub uniform, but i know i hated mine grey pullover when I was a cub many moons ago. As to the look of the leader shirts, I think they are horrendous, always wrinkled and untucked. If they try to force me into a uniform change, I think it will be the end of my time as a leader. (Caution, Red Shirts can be hazardous to your health, just ask the people that beamed down with Captain Kirk)

Have yet to see a new cub uniform, but i know i hated mine grey pullover when I was a cub many moons ago. As to the look of the leader shirts, I think they are horrendous, always wrinkled and untucked. If they try to force me into a uniform change, I think it will be the end of my time as a leader. (Caution, Red Shirts can be hazardous to your health, just ask the people that beamed down with Captain Kirk)

My shirt is always tucked, though it does wrinkle easily. I iron it far more often than I did the tan, but then, the red breathes, and the tan was like wearing Seran Wrap (TM). I think I'd still be a leader if they wanted me to wear sackcloth. I just find Scouting too much fun to get overly jazzed about what we wear. I do care about being uniform, as that, in and of itself, creates unity, and is the point of having a uniform.

The point is taken about the guys with the red shirts on Star Trek, but that was only in the original series. ST:TNG, ST:DS9 and ST:Voyager had a different use of red. I don't mention ST:Enterprise in polite company (eew.).