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Errol Feldman

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Post Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:19 pm

E-Learning

Well I finally decided that I would take a shot at the E-Learning and see what it was all about. This is a terrific initiative from the Program people, and I am proud to announce that I did the 1st Module - Mission just to see what it is all about. I strongly recommend the E-Learning, also for the dinasours, to all the members. I am going to continue and do all the modules as they appear so that I know from experience what I am talking about when I recommend them to my Scouter Team also.
As a matter of fact, it would probably be a good idea for new Scouters to start the E-Learning immediately even if there is a course available to them in the very near future.
I have been given to understand that I am not alone here and that some 300 Leaders, so far, have taken the E-Learning course with great compliments to Program.
Would love to hear some more experiences from the rest of the Scouters.
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Post Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:46 pm

Re: E-Learning

Hey Errol,

I also did the courses and concur with your assessment. I think there is great potential.

Garth

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Post Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:27 pm

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Yay! I passed module 1.
There are lots of members across the organisation that are contributing to this project. They all perceive it as a marvel, I am sure. When it is complete, It will be marvelous indeed. The care and attention to every detail of providing a worthwhile experience with as little wast of time for the client is applaud-able. Kudos to the team, and great work so far. Keep it up, we expect to see great things very soon.

As with any method of education, there are certain unique benefits, and there are also certain unique shortcomings. I think this elearning is like the corner piece of a puzzle. Important for sure, but we still need all of the rest of the pieces to see the pretty picture.

We have traditionally had a very narrow set of ideas as far as training volunteers go. This means, to date, we only posses two corner pieces of the puzzle and a few of the middle pieces and part of one side. Wow! Two whole paragraphs of the same dumb analogy.

What do the people who make themselves very rich educating adults have to say about our training system? Would they say I am nuts, or would they say we are so far behind we think we are ahead? I think we need to ask a bunch of them.

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Wayne

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Post Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:34 pm

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I would have only one suggestion. We need a precise method to determine the effect of the elearning.

Here are some issues I am ignorant on:
What does the client think of the method? How much value do they give the experience? Who monitors the feedback? Is the method regularly reviewed and adapted to trends in the stated needs of the clients?

Cheers,
Wayne

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Post Sun Sep 13, 2009 11:33 pm

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Wayne Gosche wrote:Yay! I passed module 1.
There are lots of members across the organisation that are contributing to this project. They all perceive it as a marvel, I am sure. When it is complete, It will be marvelous indeed. The care and attention to every detail of providing a worthwhile experience with as little wast of time for the client is applaud-able. Kudos to the team, and great work so far. Keep it up, we expect to see great things very soon.

As with any method of education, there are certain unique benefits, and there are also certain unique shortcomings. I think this elearning is like the corner piece of a puzzle. Important for sure, but we still need all of the rest of the pieces to see the pretty picture.

We have traditionally had a very narrow set of ideas as far as training volunteers go. This means, to date, we only posses two corner pieces of the puzzle and a few of the middle pieces and part of one side. Wow! Two whole paragraphs of the same dumb analogy.

What do the people who make themselves very rich educating adults have to say about our training system? Would they say I am nuts, or would they say we are so far behind we think we are ahead? I think we need to ask a bunch of them.

Cheers,
Wayne


What you say is very true, Wayne; and if you hadn't passed Module 1, will :roll:
OTOH, having the two corners is a very big beginning; and while it will take some time and experience, at least we are starting to fill in the picture so all can see it.
It is a great start for new leaders, at least until a WB can be organised; and a great refresher for dinosaurs too.
;) I don't think that those who make themselves very rich educating adults do it via E-Learning; aren't the "big bucks" earned by giving the seminars and classes :?: ;)
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Robert D White

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Post Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:50 am

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Completed all four modules available in the Part 1.

I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to use. It may have taken me less time because much of it was review for an "old" Scouter - still there were elements that reminded me of stuff I should be remembering on a regular basis.

And, as I suspected, much of the material are things that could easily be learned on an individual basis (such as reading the Risk Management Section of BP&P) rather than in a group setting.

But e-learning should not be seen as a panacea to training. Even in the Risk Management module, a greater benefit could come from a group learning. Various teaching methods such as role playing or scenario planning would drive home the key learning of "are we in the right place, at the right time with the right people and the right equipment."

E-learning has some clear advantages. But let's not forget the disadvantages and use both e-learning and group training together to create more effective leaders.
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Post Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:52 am

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I completed the Module 1 yesterday and I have to say, I was quite impressed. It was easy to use and I was able to take all the time I wanted. I look forward to the next modules.

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Post Mon Sep 14, 2009 9:57 am

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WHAT 4 Modules; the only things I can see are the 2 orientations and Module 1 about the Mission...what am I missing?
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Post Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:26 am

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Sorry, I meant the four separate segments of Module 1: Structure; Spirituality; Risk Management and Mission.
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Post Mon Sep 14, 2009 12:45 pm

Re: E-Learning

This E-learning mode is definitely not the answer to everything. This will be attractive to some and not to others. At my area meeting on Saturday I had a scouter who still doesn't use e-mail or the internet. And then there's the fact that some aspects are simply more conducive to group learning.

As both an Area Commissioner and a Trainer one of the things I always emphasize is that one of the best aspects of a training course is not the material you study, but the people you'll meet. I love teaching Module 3 which contains the bulk of the programming aspects and whenever I train this I ALWAYS learn something from my group because I get to hear so many neat suggestions and ideas.

Garth

PS Hey Wayne! I'll be putting my Rover WB1 to good use soon. As I mentioned at the course my area is going to be starting a new Crew in the next few weeks. Have about 8 youth interested!

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Post Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:51 pm

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Robert D White wrote:Sorry, I meant the four separate segments of Module 1: Structure; Spirituality; Risk Management and Mission.


I still can't find those. The only Module 1 I get is about Mission, nothing about the other 3 issues.
Errol Feldman
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Errol Feldman

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Post Mon Sep 14, 2009 10:53 pm

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scoutleader101 wrote:As both an Area Commissioner and a Trainer one of the things I always emphasize is that one of the best aspects of a training course is not the material you study, but the people you'll meet. I love teaching Module 3 which contains the bulk of the programming aspects and whenever I train this I ALWAYS learn something from my group because I get to hear so many neat suggestions and ideas.

Garth


Couldn't agree more Garth; and that part of the WB is just as important as the rest of the weekend ;)
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Post Tue Sep 15, 2009 4:52 am

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Hi Errol,
To find the other segments of module 1 go to "training catalogue" then on the far left side, select training catalogue again on the arrow, select english or french, then select module 1. The different sections will come up on the middle part of the screen. Hope this helps.

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Post Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:29 am

Re: E-Learning

Thanks aging...gonna do them now ;)
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Post Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:52 pm

Re: E-Learning

Clarification:
I was mentioning using the "experts" as an evaluation tool for all our training methods so we can broaden our perspective on the whole subject. Perhaps this has already been done?
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