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by jkeess
Mon Jul 04, 2011 9:52 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?
Replies: 31
Views: 14058

Re: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?

Well, it's good to see people meeting in the middle and agreeing on the important, core things. Just out of curiosity, how do you.define agnostic vice atheist? While I don't believe that any proposition (ie the existence of a god or gods) is completely disprovable, to date, :twisted: there is no evi...
by jkeess
Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:16 am
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: "God" stuff
Replies: 125
Views: 60915

Re: "God" stuff

no worries.
by jkeess
Sun Jul 03, 2011 4:09 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?
Replies: 31
Views: 14058

Re: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?

Always nice to have a cheerleader. I really don't see how any of those quotations have gone against anything I've pointed out or disprove my original assertion. It's pretty closed-minded to think that because someone does not believe in God (or any other associated dogma,) one does not have an accep...
by jkeess
Sat Jul 02, 2011 11:16 am
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: "God" stuff
Replies: 125
Views: 60915

Re: "God" stuff

Thanks Harry! There should be more national direction on this, and hopefully more sharing of information between provincial councils. I'll try to contact them, as religion and society is a particular interest of mine.This would have made it a lot easier for our Buddhist (non-) beaver. Still, it seem...
by jkeess
Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:34 am
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: "God" stuff
Replies: 125
Views: 60915

Re: "God" stuff

And I think we've established that its possible to do so without a belief in Yaweh.
by jkeess
Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:53 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Swim-up/Going up Traditions?
Replies: 21
Views: 10107

Re: Swim-up/Going up Traditions?

That sounds pretty cool!

I heard th=at the group in Oromocto uses a local foot bridge - the youth must walk from one side to the other. The ceremony is done at night and is firelit.
by jkeess
Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:33 am
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: "God" stuff
Replies: 125
Views: 60915

Re: "God" stuff

This has started becoming a major problem in the UK as well.

I've typically just left mine blank, although, through this discussion, I know enough about scouting regulations and history that I could probably argue my way through any objections.
by jkeess
Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:29 am
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: Should Rover Scouts be called Youth
Replies: 21
Views: 13319

Re: Should Rover Scouts be called Youth

Can you explain where you're finding me "half-wrong", then?
by jkeess
Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:28 am
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: Rover Woodbadge eLearning
Replies: 42
Views: 22388

Re: Rover Woodbadge eLearning

I don't know everything about the outdoors, and if this is a "growth" organisation, we ought to have the opprunity. When one of our orvers/scouts leaders proposed that we be given time on WBII to run our our training on, say edible plants, we were quickly told that we needed "more time in" before ou...
by jkeess
Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:37 pm
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: Should Rover Scouts be called Youth
Replies: 21
Views: 13319

Re: Should Rover Scouts be called Youth

Well, this is my point. Rovers hsould have on registration, they should not fill out "P" forms, and they should be treated as a reserve of leadership to help run the greater programme
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:24 pm
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: Should Rover Scouts be called Youth
Replies: 21
Views: 13319

Should Rover Scouts be called Youth

Virtually all of the scouters I took WB I and II with found that they had some fun, but learned very little. This brings up another point - SC needs to stop treating rovers as "youth." It's a bit ridiculous to be married, have two university degrees and a full-time job but be considered a "youth" by...
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:12 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Scouter from down South
Replies: 8
Views: 4997

Re: Scouter from down South

There's a province - wide cull of coyotes going on right now at about $20 a pelt.

The Cabot Trail, from what I've heard, is a pretty solid bet. If you do make it over to Cape Breton, the Cape Breton Highlands are worth checking out, as is Louisbourg.
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:10 pm
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: Rover Woodbadge eLearning
Replies: 42
Views: 22388

Re: Rover Woodbadge eLearning

I don't disagree with you Robert, but the current system leaves very little room for growth for those who have grown up with scouting their whole lives. It would be great to find a way to build on it.
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:06 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?
Replies: 31
Views: 14058

Re: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?

It does. But when chaplains accompany troops, it is not in a spiritual capacity, it's in a welfare capacity. Sunday/Saturday/whenever services are for those who wish to attend, and are not a part of the CF training programme. I have no problems whatsoever with religious people or area chaplains, and...
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:38 pm
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: Rover Woodbadge eLearning
Replies: 42
Views: 22388

Re: Rover Woodbadge eLearning

This is all a very detailed, knowledgeable and experienced account of how things are , not neccesarily how they could be better It would be awesome to formalise "working your ticket" through a series of demanding personal challenges and to have some sort of recognition for this. Either that, or have...
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:30 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?
Replies: 31
Views: 14058

Re: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?

To take guidance form the Canadian military on this matter is a little flawed, as there is no formal religious or spiritual teaching in the training of Canadian Forces members. I disagree the Canadian Armed Forces accept as Chaplains only licensed and ordained Ministers with experience who are at l...
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:28 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?
Replies: 31
Views: 14058

Re: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?

As I posted earlier, the word "God" was ommitted from some national scout promises as early as 1924 - with the blessing of BP - as he saw a promise to Yaweh as inherently exclusive to many. No doubt this was progressive for the time - but then again, BP was a man of the world. You forgot to include...
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 4:27 pm
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?
Replies: 31
Views: 14058

Re: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?

Given that most people here are Christian (I'm assuming,) would you honestly be comfortable pledging "Duty to Allah" if "Allah" were widely interpreted? This comment is disrespectful, particularly to two scouters who's scouting years likely exceed your age. I'll take this up with the Service Scoute...
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:37 am
Forum: Rover Scouts
Topic: "God" stuff
Replies: 125
Views: 60915

Re: "God" stuff

So "God" either does have deep meaning to some as it is, in reality their god (and is a loaded term), or, it has no real meaning (but is still a loaded term to many), in which case it could be replaced by another or phrase (in which case there is a long historical record in scouting of doing this.) ...
by jkeess
Wed Jun 29, 2011 2:31 am
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?
Replies: 31
Views: 14058

Re: Is there a place for atheism in Scouting?

That's not a straw-man argument, by the way. I would think that a chaplain should be able to think empathetically. Scouts Canada is either a) an inclusive organisation, based on the principles laid down by BP (who made generous religious accommodations) which is open to all faiths and religions (inc...