Requirements for Registering SITs and ALs

I have a 16 year-old (a friend's son) who used to be a Scout, and who has expressed an interest in becoming an SIT.

I have scanned B.P.& P. quickly, but could not find the procedure. My main question is does he require a vulnerable sector PRC?

If anyone can let me know, it would be much appreciated. I don't have time to review all of B.P.& P. before our Registration Event tomorrow.

No PRCs for people under 18.

Thanks Allan. Just for my own edification, where would I find that in B.P. & P? I couldn't find it in 4000.

Activity Leaders (AL) and Scouters-in-Training (SIT) (See Section 4008.4;
4008.5):
Activity leaders and Scouters-in-Training are to be encouraged to work with, and be part of the Beaver, Cub and Scout leadership teams.
In addition, one or more Wolf Cubs known as Keeo serve as a link between the Beaver and Wolf Cub Sections and to strengthen communications between Beavers and the adult leadership team. Keeo is also a member of the leadership team.
In addition, one or more Scouts known as Kim serve as a link between the Wolf Cub and Scout Sections, and to strengthen communications between Cubs and the
leadership team. More than one Scout may fill this position at the same time. Kim is also a member of the leadership team. See end of this Section for Position Description.
SIT’s working with colony and pack Sections can be included in the Scouter : youth member ratio provided they have successfully completed Wood Badge Part I for the Section in which they will be working. Note: minimum standard of two registered adults must be maintained.

4008.4 – Activity Leaders: Revised November 2010
Activity leaders are registered members, 14 or 15 years old, who work with a Beaver colony or a Wolf Cub pack as part of its leadership team of the Section. Activity leaders assist with the conduct of activities and serve as instructors or helpers as members of the Beaver colony or Wolf Cub pack leadership team. They must be willing to participate in a development program to equip them for the job. As such, AL’s are eligible to take Wood Badge Part I and receive the appropriate recognition. They are not part of the Scouter : youth ratio.
4008.5 – Scouters-in-Training: Revised November 2010 Scouters-in-Training (SIT’s) are registered members, 16 or 17 years old, who work with a Beaver colony, Wolf Cub pack or a Scout troop. Scouters-in-Training assist with the operation of any aspects of the program as members of the Beaver colony, Wolf Cub pack, and Scout troop leadership team.
Scouters-in-Training must be willing to participate in a development program to equip them for the job. As such, SIT’s are eligible to take Wood Badge Part Iand/or Wood Badge Part II and receive the appropriate recognition.
SIT’s working with colony and pac pack Sections can be included in the Scouter : youth member ratio provided they have: (1) successfully completed Wood Badge Part I for the Section in which they will be working; (2) have completed three Personal Reference Check (usually the individuals section leader); and (3) has read and understands the Duty of Care document.
Note: minimum standard of two registered adults must be maintained.

The word is that Leaders not yet 18 years old do NOT have to have a PRC...If you have time later read Section 3001 et seq. I was advised that even for Leaders who are just 18 mor so it is a techniality as thier juvenile records would be sealed anyway. If oyu have any firther questions then contact Mrs. Cheng, Exec Dir Compliance, etc., at Baseline

This makes sense, as an SIT is going to have to be with an adult leader in any event to achieve ratio, and the adult leader will of course have to have a clean PRC. Once a youth hits 18, they start fresh (just in case they had any youthful indiscretion (talk about a euphemism!)), so a PRC up to age 21 is really not very helpful as a screening tool. Any charge currently before the court does not appear on a PRC until there has been a disposition (i.e. conviction, discharge, dismissal, stay, or withdrawal).

realy a PRC only proves who go caught anyway. I always wondered if a pardon cleared your PRC? Graham James was pardoned, and aparently 98 to 99% of pardon applications are granted. its a good CYA step but a much beter one is the 2 deep rule.

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realy a PRC only proves who go caught anyway. I always wondered if a pardon cleared your PRC? Graham James was pardoned, and aparently 98 to 99% of pardon applications are granted. its a good CYA step but a much beter one is the 2 deep rule.

That's why we now have the Vulnerable Sector Check being done through the RCMP's CPIC program. Anyone with the same birthdate and gender of a registered sex offender (pardoned or not) has to have their fingerprints checked against the registry. This will prevent a Graham James scenario from happening.

This makes sense, as an SIT is going to have to be with an adult leader in any event to achieve ratio, and the adult leader will of course have to have a clean PRC.

Once a youth has earned their Wood Badge Part I they count for ratio.

Robert, glad to hear that. of course it still only finds people who were caught. but thats all it can do. its an important CYA step no doubt about it and hopefully just doing it keeps some "people" from aplying as leaders.

Activity Leaders may also take WBI but they do not then count in the Scouter:Youth ratio.

4008.4 – Activity Leaders: Revised November 2010
Activity leaders are registered members, 14 or 15 years old, who work with a Beaver colony or a Wolf Cub pack as part of its leadership team of the Section. Activity leaders assist with the conduct of activities and serve as instructors or helpers as members of the Beaver colony or Wolf Cub pack leadership team. They must be willing to participate in a development program to equip them for the job. As such, AL’s are eligible to take Wood Badge Part I and receive the appropriate recognition. They are not part of the Scouter : youth ratio.

Robert, glad to hear that. of course it still only finds people who were caught. but thats all it can do. its an important CYA step no doubt about it and hopefully just doing it keeps some "people" from aplying as leaders.

It wasn't CYA on the part of Scouts Canada. The RCMP initiated the additional check because of the Graham James issue.

No system is perfect and those who want to harm children seem to find a way around the system (e.g. the latest child abduction in Sparwood, BC). However, the more we do to try and catch these people, the better.

Robert, glad to hear that. of course it still only finds people who were caught. but thats all it can do. its an important CYA step no doubt about it and hopefully just doing it keeps some "people" from aplying as leaders.

It wasn't CYA on the part of Scouts Canada. The RCMP initiated the additional check because of the Graham James issue.

No system is perfect and those who want to harm children seem to find a way around the system (e.g. the latest child abduction in Sparwood, BC). However, the more we do to try and catch these people, the better.

Even more than that, the more we do to try and prevent children being harmed by these predators in the first place, the better. I don't think Scouts Canada can do much more than it does (intake interview, references, follow up by Group Commissioner, PRC). Really, the PRC is merely confirmation, like firstairdriesona stated, that a person never got caught doing anything wrong. As soon as someone with a record knows that a PRC is necessary, then their desire to volunteer will quickly dissipate (unless it is an old, pardonable offense that was more youthful stupidity than anything sinister). It is the intake interview and the references that are the key to keeping predators away from our children. Our GC's and our Section Leaders have to be aware of their gut feelings when conducting the interviews and following up with references. And they really must do these things. I wouldn't hire anyone in my office without checking their references, so why would I let them near the kids for whom I'm responsible without doing the same? VRAD is very, very important, and we must follow it to the letter, especially with regard to following proper screening of potential volunteers.

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we need to make sure that we check all the people and your right, your gut feeling is for sure to be folowed.

I wasnt sugesting that the PRC or V sector was just CYA, and I am glad the Police came out with something to combat the pardon issue.

Keeping to the 2 deep rule for sure helps combat issues. its up to all of us prevent problems